Raptavio ([info]raptavio) wrote,
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My official spoiler post

We finished reading Half-Blood Prince last night.

This is my official Harry Potter spoiler post.

If you click the cut, the OMG SECRETS of the book will be revealed.

If you bitch at me having clicked the cut, you are a retard.



OK. In no particular order:

-I do think it's realistic that at the age of sixteen, boys become men, girls become women, and serious snogging starts. That said, I think there was a bit much of it. Lavender-Ron-Hermionie, Dean-Ginny-Harry, Tonks-Sirius-Oops-I-Mean-Lupin... I'm surprised Albus and Minerva didn't get busy on the floor of his office at some point. Even Draco had a girlfriend.

-It was obvious that Dumbledore was going to die. It was foreshadowed throughout the entire book. It was also obvious that Draco was tasked to do it, and that Snape took the Unbreakable Vow to do it if Draco couldn't.

-I admit, I didn't finger Snape as being the Half-Blood Prince. I'd always thought Snape was a pureblood, so I ruled him out. I also knew that Rowling specifically disclosed that the Half-Blood Prince was neither Harry nor Voldemort, so...

-Horcruxes. OK. For starters, I'm really insulted that Rowling thinks it isn't screamingly obvious that Harry himself is the sixth Horcrux - at least, not obvious enough to make mention of it in the book. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

* Dumbledore stipulated that Harry's murder was going to be used by Voldemort to create his sixth and final Horcrux.
* Harry was altered by the attempted murder - it left a scar. The Cadaverus curse doesn't leave marks.
* Harry is a Parselmouth, a trait associated with Voldemort's maternal lineage, the descendants of Salazar Slytherin.
* Harry and Voldemort had a psychic link from the time Voldemort was reborn, for unexplained reasons, ended only when Voldemort applied Occlumency.
* The wand that chose Harry was the "brother" of Voldemort's wand, showing another link between the two.
* Horcruxes can be living beings - Voldemort's snake is one of his, according to Dumbledore, and that fact made his control and companionship with the snake that much greater. (Psychic link, anyone?)

-Harry's the sixth Horcrux, and it's bloody obvious, and it annoys me Rowling didn't allow Harry to figure that out on his own.

-I don't like that Snape went bad. Snape to me had always been the hero in black. The man who felt honor-bound to do the right thing even though he had personal hatred for those who benefitted. The man who saved Harry from Quirrel during his first Quidditch match, and who acted to stop Quirrel from taking the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone. The man who took suspicion off Harry when the Chamber of Secrets was opened. The man who was abused and humiliated by James Potter, giving him a legitimate gripe. The man who earned the trust of Dumbledore.

I don't like that he was set up to be Dumbledore's folly - the misplaced belief in goodness, to be that which slays Dumbledore even as he was giving Draco the benefit of the doubt.

And I don't like that Rowling made the murder of Dumbledore so equivocal... Snape had to kill Dumbledore or he himself would die, yet when he turned on Dumbledore, the look of hatred in his face made it clear he despised the man, though some theorists will say he hated himself for what he had to do. And then, even as he fled, he protected Harry under the guise of "The Dark Lord's orders". (Which will fuel theories of this all being Dumbledore's plan and Snape still being a good guy.)

I guarantee theories circulating surrounding Snape for the next two years will include this:

Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, to become that much deeper in the enemy's counsel. The blackened arm that Dumbledore suffered as a result of his destruction of the Horcrux in the ring was a mortal wound. Dumbledore was dying anyway. Dumbledore sought to make his death useful to save Draco, save Snape, and help Snape get that much closer to Voldemort to help Harry in his final confrontation, or perhaps even to find more Horcruxes. Snape is, after all, a skilled Legilimens and Occlumens, and is better than anyone at concealing his true thoughts. So Snape's still a good guy.

It's wishful thinking, though. I don't like where Rowling has written Snape, because it's inconsistent, and its only literary value is showing that even the wisest and greatest have their weaknesses.

-Draco, on the other hand, is much more interesting, with his emotional vulnerability and his inability/unwillingness to cross the line he could never uncross. I'm looking forward hopefully to his eventual salvation.

-I'm also annoyed that Dumbledore's death had to be, at least it appears, a total loss - there was no need for the Horcrux they retrieved to have been a fake. Sure it was used to introduce this mysterious "R.A.B", but RAB could have been introduced by any one of a number of other means. I understand that it makes things more exciting and dramatic to have things become darkest before the dawn, sure, but c'mon. Dumbledore's death should have been at least a sacrifice, not a total loss (though, of course, his death could be revealed to be for a greater purpose in the next book). If you're going to suck the life out of the reader with a downer, do it when there's time left in the book to recover something of value from the tragedy, to give hope. Hell, even George Lucas got that right in Empire Strikes Back. The best we got out of Rowling was Hermione and Ron pledging to stand by Harry no matter what.

-I'm also annoyed by minor details, like Umbridge being allowed within a mile of Hogwarts, even and especially for Dumbledore's funeral.

Sigh.

But, through it all, I have to admit that the book left me hungry for book 7 in a big way, so by that fact alone, HBP was overall a great success.


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[info]libra_dragon

August 5 2005, 16:06:38 UTC 6 years ago

Man now I have to get off my butt, stop reading my current book, go and get the last Harry Potter to refresh my memory and finish it (being when I did have it I only read half of it) and then start on this one.

Very interesting.

[info]meig

August 5 2005, 16:49:06 UTC 6 years ago

The whole thing with Ginny and Harry really irked me. I mean, come on. I was a teenage girl *years ago ;)* and if I was so into some guy and he suddenly told me it was over...there is no way I would take it so calmly and matter-of-factly.



[info]raptavio

August 5 2005, 16:49:51 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, but what if he told you it was over because if it wasn't you'd probably get killed?

[info]meig

August 5 2005, 16:54:02 UTC 6 years ago

Hmm.

[info]sparky828

August 5 2005, 16:52:26 UTC 6 years ago

A few points. This isn't a snarky debate-thing or anything, but I'll take a few snippits:

I'm surprised Albus and Minerva didn't get busy on the floor of his office at some point.
Hey, if you know a lady who can turn into a cat, how can you not try it out just once, right?

-Harry's the sixth Horcrux, and it's bloody obvious, and it annoys me Rowling didn't allow Harry to figure that out on his own.
I think if that's the way it turns out, you have a point. However, as Rowling has shown many times, things are not always as they seem. On the other hand, Rowling does seem to make Harry selectively oblivious in order to advance the plot (how many times have you found yourself screaming, "Jesus Harry, just tell Dumbledore already!"?).

-I don't like that Snape went bad.
I think Rowling has shown throughout the entire series that you never really know where Snape stands until it's all said and done. I think there's a very good chance that Snape was acting under Dumbledore's orders, etc. Hell, maybe he's actually Harry's father and we can hear him whine "IT'S NOT POSSIBLE! DUMBLEDORE, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME?"

-I'm also annoyed that Dumbledore's death had to be, at least it appears, a total loss...(though, of course, his death could be revealed to be for a greater purpose in the next book). If you're going to suck the life out of the reader with a downer, do it when there's time left in the book to recover something of value from the tragedy, to give hope. Hell, even George Lucas got that right in Empire Strikes Back. The best we got out of Rowling was Hermione and Ron pledging to stand by Harry no matter what.
Personally, I think there was about the same level of hope in HBP as ESB. All we got for hope at the end of ESB was Luke, Leia and the droids watching the Falcon take off.

BTW, I find it amusing that Lucas' artistic credibility has been degraded to the point where you can say "Hell, even George Lucas got that right..."

[info]raptavio

August 5 2005, 17:03:03 UTC 6 years ago

Hey, if you know a lady who can turn into a cat, how can you not try it out just once, right?
You, my friend, are a very, very sick little monkey. And by that I don't mean a Simian Animagus.

I think if that's the way it turns out, you have a point. However, as Rowling has shown many times, things are not always as they seem. On the other hand, Rowling does seem to make Harry selectively oblivious in order to advance the plot (how many times have you found yourself screaming, "Jesus Harry, just tell Dumbledore already!"?).
True on all counts. However, even if Harry didn't know, Dumbledore HAD to know (assuming I'm right) and so I was screaming "Jesus Dumbledore, just tell Harry already!"

Personally, I think there was about the same level of hope in HBP as ESB. All we got for hope at the end of ESB was Luke, Leia and the droids watching the Falcon take off.
Well, you may be right. Maybe it only seems like less of a bummer because I learned how it all turned out when I was twelve.

BTW, I find it amusing that Lucas' artistic credibility has been degraded to the point where you can say "Hell, even George Lucas got that right..."
When the man's dramatic culmination of his three most recent films is a whiny kid screaming "I hate you! I hate you!" at Ewan MacGregor so unconvincingly that even being on fire and missing three limbs didn't up the drama factor, he's risking being a high-budget Ed Wood.

[info]drath

August 5 2005, 23:59:51 UTC 6 years ago

Slight tangent

When the man's dramatic culmination of his three most recent films is a whiny kid screaming "I hate you! I hate you!" at Ewan MacGregor so unconvincingly that even being on fire and missing three limbs didn't up the drama factor, he's risking being a high-budget Ed Wood.

I haven't seen the film. But I have no problem imagining that, knowing the actors and how poor most of them are at self-direction, and how little directorial help was actually given.

However: Tangent alert.

I always felt that "Anakin" had as much of Luke in him as Luke had of Anakin. "Obi-Wan's jealous, he's holding me back!" is just his version of "Tocce station! Power converters!"

In the original Star Wars, he was already a lesser man than back when he was a student. In his battle there, it was two old men fighting each other, and Obi-Wan offers himself in sacrifice. In Empire, it's the big guy against a n00b, maintaining his advantage through what are honestly "parlor tricks" that simply catch naive Luke-boy off guard, and he's not even meant to kill the "Emperor's Prize."

This is really Palpatine's story, and Ian McDiarmid is just uncanny with his face and manner. Palpatine was a user and the true evil, and everyone who serves under him, no matter how "fierce," either dies in battle, or dies when Palpy decides he has no more use for them (/vis/ Dooku/Tyrannus.) I know, it's not good drama, and I really wish Kershner could have been called back to lend his talents, but Anakin *must* have that malleability and even patheticness in him, to have ended up the Emperor's servant in the first place, and it's telling that he has no problem casting Vader aside to posess Luke.

Tangent end. Sorry to hijack the thread. Flame away.

[info]fmsilk

August 5 2005, 18:33:35 UTC 6 years ago

You have entirely too much time on your hands if you can can both sit and think all this junk through -- it's a kids book for christ sake -- and take the time to write it down.

Snape didn't "go bad". Snape has always been bad. If Snape has seemed anything BUT bad, it was to save his place in Dumbledore's trust, to hurt someone he disliked, or to keep in good graces with Voldemort.

Draco is no more interesting than he ever was. He's still a weak, childish little mama's boy who depends on people more powerful than him to take up his slack. He cried and cried to Moaning Myrtle the whole time feeling sorry for himself. He's constantly hid (in previous books) and continues to hide behind Snape's skirt tails. You'd think Snape was his daddy rather than Lucius.

Both contemptable and they deserve each other.

I still think RAB is someone we know -- someone who's been mentioned before.

[info]raptavio

August 5 2005, 18:39:32 UTC 6 years ago

Hmph. Half of it stemmed from conversations with YOU.

And you never liked Snape just cuz you're a big meaniehead.

[info]fmsilk

August 5 2005, 18:41:17 UTC 6 years ago

Yes, of course... It's because I'm a big meaniehead... Not because he's EVIL!

>.>

[info]raptavio

August 5 2005, 19:45:46 UTC 6 years ago

NO! SNAPE'S GOOD! IT'S ALL A BIG DECEPTION TO TRICK VOLDEMORT!


<.<

Dammit!

[info]talisantia

August 6 2005, 02:22:53 UTC 6 years ago

Re: RAB

I'm betting good money RAB is Regulus Black. One of Sirius' relatives who was mentioned in one of the other books at some point.

[info]raptavio

August 7 2005, 03:56:41 UTC 6 years ago

Re: RAB

I agree. Sirius' brother, actually.

And it makes sense. He had a house elf - Kreacher - who could have been on the boat with him to the island, and who would have been more than happy to help his pureblood self.

[info]snobahr

August 5 2005, 21:03:28 UTC 6 years ago

"Harry's the sixth Horcrux, and it's bloody obvious, and it annoys me Rowling didn't allow Harry to figure that out on his own."

He's what, sixteen? Of course he's going to be consciously oblivious to such a blatant bitchslap upside the head. He's not going to see it until the next book (duh), because I betcha there's a small corner of his brain saying, "Hey, Harry... Harry? Guess what - you're a horcrux. You know that, right? Harry? You listening to me? Beuller?"

But, like many a teenager before him, if he doesn't want to see it, It's Not There, La La La La!

[info]foomf

August 6 2005, 00:56:18 UTC 6 years ago

No. Harry is NOT a Horcrux. (Or in D&D terms, a "Soul Jar".)

Why not? Because Voldemort really DID try to kill him, not just at the onset, but as you've conveniently forgotten, during the final battle in the "Goblet of Fire" duel. If he was a Horcrux, Voldemort would absolutely not have done that. He would have tried, instead, to lock the kid away somehow, in some safe kind of stasis.

Yeah, the snake can be a Horcrux, but that's almost the same as it being his Familiar. And, it was his _final_ Horcrux, which he entered when his body finally fell apart, and from which he moved the majority of his essence into Professor Quirrel. That's also described in more detail in the Goblet of Fire.

No, there's more going on here than the obvious answer.

Now to quibble. DUH, the Cadaverous curse doesn't leave marks - when it actually works. The fact that it was prevented from working, and that (per Dumbledore et alia) many curses leave behind marks when they fail to take, simply provides a justification for the 'mark of Cain' on the boy's forehead.

About everyone-in-rut ... teenagers. Hormones. Even Hormonie, er, Hermione, had a bad attack of the stupids from the things.

Dumbledore's death being equivocal ... I should mock you for being cranky about that. It's very rare that you ever find anything that complex in a 'young adult' book, and absolutely nothing such on television recently.

One more thing... LEGITIMATE gripe? Against HARRY?

Uh, no. Highly immature and inappropriate to hate Harry for his parentage, especially since so much of what Snape blamed Harry for was actually not true, which Snape should easily have discovered when legiling the poor boy. (Yeah, he couldn't have set him up to fail more if he'd tried.)

In case you haven't gotten it yet, R.A.B. is Regulus Black, Sirius's brother.

In closing, I'm going to predict that Snape did kill Dumbledore according to Dumbledore's wishes - because the poison in the cup plus the damage from the earlier Horcrux was too much.

And I'm going to predict that Dumbledore might not be quite as dead as we think, though he certainly won't be pulling a Gandalf. Why? That phoenix is awfully suggestive of SOMETHING.

[info]raptavio

August 7 2005, 04:00:23 UTC 6 years ago

I think Voldemort didn't realize Harry was a Horcrux until he realized the psychic link between them - which happened in Book 5. So I betcha Harry is, himself, an accidental Horcrux. So there.

As for the rest - meh, nothing to say, but read it with interest.

[info]foomf

August 7 2005, 06:27:33 UTC 6 years ago

I don't think an accidental horcrux is possible. We're talking highly dangerous and complex magic. It'd be like an accidental automobile, accidental television, accidental TCP/IP network.

[info]foomf

May 29 2010, 00:56:40 UTC 2 years ago

And looking back at this from the future... BLEAH.


Rowling ... did take the obvious way out with this. I should have remembered that her magic doesn't actually make sense except as a plot device.

[info]raptavio

May 29 2010, 15:17:55 UTC 2 years ago

Heh. Actually it made a bit of sense -- that old Voldy's soul was so fractured already that what was left was really brittle and fractured easily.

What I had surmised was that Voldemort was intending to make his sixth Horcrux with this murder and that accident was the result of the protection Lily cast on Harry. It turns out that he had already made all six, and accidentally made the seventh.
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